Dodgers @ Marlins August 11, 2012: Blanton vs Nolasco

Posted on August 11, 2012 by Mike Petriello Leave a reply

Other than the ongoing first base platoon of James Loney & Juan Rivera (problematic since neither can hit even against opposite-handed pitchers) and Andre Ethier & Hanley Ramirez being flipped since a righty is on the mound, Don Mattingly’s lineup tonight is the same as it was yesterday, and we shouldn’t expect that to change any time soon. We’ll see occasional starts for Matt Treanor & Adam Kennedy, but otherwise this is the group we’re going to see, and this is the order we’re going to see them in. Juan Uribe is never going to exist. A.J. Ellis is never going to bump Mark Ellis out of the #2 hole. Ethier is almost never going to sit against lefties. You can argue about whether this is good or bad, but it’s the truth, and figures to stay that way into September, when we get to figure out what to do with Dee Gordon.

	Dodgers		Marlins
LF	Victorino	CF	Hernandez
2B	M.Ellis	LF	Ruggiano
CF	Kemp	SS	Reyes
RF	Ethier	1B	Lee
SS	Ramirez	RF	Stanton
1B	Loney	3B	Dobbs
3B	Hairston	2B	Green
C	A.Ellis	C	Buck
P	Blanton	P	Nolasco

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JohnM (MSTI Elitist/Hipster)

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WBBsAs

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I've been giving Mattingly the benefit of the doubt, but that's changing as he simply refuses to make anything happen, apparently convinced that, if he waits patiently enough, the entire lineup will explode with three-run HRs. I'm frustrated with the bunts, but even more frustrated that he won't send runners and open up holes on the infield - Loney, for all his shortcomings, usually makes contact and would be the logical candidate for a hit-and-run.

Rhys

I don't know, he did just hit and run with Kershaw and A.J.

WBBsAs

Not that I could tell. Kershaw was swinging, but I didn't see AJ running. Even if it was, it's a far rarer occurrence that waiting for the GIDP.

WestonTaylor (Sarcasm abounds)

Still trying to figure out how we let two bases-loaded innings go by without a single run scored against Ricky Nolaso. Jeez.

(VND)

Don continues his decent.

Deuce

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@VietnamDodger I think you meant descent. Because you don't think he's decent.

Guitar

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@VietnamDodger Decent what?

But seriously, do you remember the incident weeks ago when Jansen blew the game by kicking dirt around the mound as the guy who was on third stole home? Don's reaction was basically, "yawn.... happens sometimes."

I like Don, but that reaction alarmed me. I didn't like it whatsoever. It was the first time I felt concerned about his management, and I think that the team is playing on that nonchalant feeling.

JohnM (MSTI Elitist/Hipster)

@Guitar @VietnamDodger I disagree. I think it's a sign that Don handles things internally and doesn't trash players in the press like our old manager.

WestonTaylor (Sarcasm abounds)

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@JohnM @Guitar @VietnamDodger Also I think it's a sign that Donnie also realizes that, yeah, sometimes these fuck-ups do happen. One game shouldn't elicit an overreaction, although that's usually what everyone (including myself) is overly prone to from time-to-time.

Dodgers' 7th Ring

dead?

KirkDavenport

guess everyone has called it a night

interesting for anyone who still checks this post

Mattingly says Hanley will remain at SS even when Dee Gordon returns

http://www.dailynews.com/sports/ci_21279768/dodgers-notebook-gordon-close-being-full-tilt

Catfacts

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LOL WUT

http://www.amazon.com/Grabow-Angeles-Dodgers-Authentic-Majestic/dp/B007PR65F0/ref=sr_1_13?ie=UTF8&qid=1344747137&sr=8-13&keywords=dodgers+bp+jersey

Catfacts

Also the Mark Ellis and AJ Ellis jerseys are mislabeled or mispictured. Not sure which number you'll get if you order depending on which is fucked up.

KirkDavenport

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The Dodgers had a chance to significantly relieve their first base conundrum in June with Derrek Lee and passed - this is criminal to maintain the current combo/thrombo Loney/Rivera mess when they had easy-peasy options and did not take them

http://mlbbuzz.yardbarker.com/blog/mlbbuzz/article/could_derrek_lee_help_dodgers/11119457?new_post=true

PuroPincheMongolianVodka!

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@KirkDavenport Too busy trying to land Dempster, plus Rivera hits the occasional HR so he aint going anywhere.

KirkDavenport

@DodgersKingsoftheGalaxy Together the dynamic Dodger duo at 1st have hit 8 HR's and an OPS of .640 along with a litany of atrocious stats

Last year Derrek Lee hit 19 HR's in many fewer at bats than the duo and had an OPS of .771

Lee would not have been a long term solution, but could have manned the bag better while the Dodgers found or developed the right answer

WestonTaylor (Sarcasm abounds)

@KirkDavenport @DodgersKingsoftheGalaxy Derrek Lee isn't even in the league. How is that a solution? We don't even know what kind of shape he's in.

silver_linings_paul_(book)

@KirkDavenport I wonder what their more immediate solution might be.

Dang88

I feel like this team doesn't look like 135 mill I hope we don't turn out to be the Red Sox

Deuce

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@Dang88 $35 million of that is Loney, Rivera, Uribe, Lilly, and Guerrier.

Dang88

@Deuce That pisses me off more thanks haha

Deuce

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@Dang88 @Deuce Sorry, I thought it would make you feel better. Like we are only a $100 million team. Haha!

efb

Woot 2nd place!

Mike Petriello moderator

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Frank J Lapidus

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Sands hit another hr tonight...too bad he isn't worth a look at 1B...

Frank J Lapidus

Puig not in the lineup tonight so lets get his promotion rumours started!

Frank J Lapidus

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Pizza's out of the oven...time to feast and contemplate this latest loss, another game we should have won but didn't. So many of them now, and that's just since the ASG

wilhud

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Runs Created/27 innings by Dodgers in 2012...

Kemp 9.54

AJ Ellis 6.05

Ethier 5.74

M Ellis 4.96

Victorino 4.84

Hanley 4.68

Hairston 4.53

Abreu 4.10

Cruz 3.95

Kennedy 3.92

Sellers 3.86

DeJesus 3.71

Herrera 3.70

Treanor 3.05

Rivera 2.85

Gordon 2.78

Loney 2.69

Gwynn 2.45

Uribe 1.79

Why exactly are the Dodgers not interested in having Derrek Lee start to work into playing shape or grabbing Overbay or anybody with a pulse for that matter? This team needs offense, offense and more offense.

KirkDavenport

@wilhud http://mlbbuzz.yardbarker.com/blog/mlbbuzz/article/could_derrek_lee_help_dodgers/11119457?new_post=true

a bit dated, but an article about an unsigned Derrek Lee waiting in L.A. in June for a chance and the Dodgers playing it too cool. He is 36 years old but was a potent bat last year and could have been signed for probably less than M. Ellis will make and no cost in players or prospects. Criminal omission by the Dodgers

KirkDavenport

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@wilhud Hairston is just about at league average - you could start at the bottom of the list and get rid of each player (who has not already been moved) up to Hairaton and replace them with league average players and watch the offense improve. As we already know, that would be a task beyond the reach of Colletti, but you would think that a team with the resources now available could find some more available "average" players.

Frank J Lapidus

@KirkDavenport @wilhud primary damage is being done by the 1B position. Maybe we shouldn't have been so happy to not get Carlos Lee

KirkDavenport

@Frank J Lapidus @wilhud "MLB Trade Rumors" reported the attempted Yankee deal I should have written

KirkDavenport

@Frank J Lapidus @wilhud Carlos would have been an improvement even with his missing power. His.382 OBP and only 2 DIDP's (with Miami) would have extended a few rallies instead of killing them as the current platoon now does.

MLB reports that the Yankees also tried to get him through a waiver trade, but he turned down that move - I guess there may be more to some players than a chance for the playoffs

JohnM (MSTI Elitist/Hipster)

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@wilhud If we had kemp for every position we would score 9 runs a game.

Frank J Lapidus

@wilhud anyone still use RC27?

wilhud

@Frank J Lapidus What would be a better stat for individual offensive run production? I'd be happy to look it up, I just don't know what the best/current metrics are. Can't imaging it would show much different a result in terms of Loney, Rivera, Uribe being some of the biggest offensive detriments to the team though.

Deuce

@KirkDavenport @Mike Petriello @wilhud @Frank J Lapidus I thought Youkilis was the move to be made and said it before he was traded to White Sox. I think Ned/Donnie think more of Loney/Rivera than most of us do.

KirkDavenport

@Deuce @Mike Petriello @wilhud @Frank J Lapidus I am not a Derrek Lee fan, but he had a pretty good year last year and is an unsigned free agent first baseman. He even lives in L.A. and has been in contact with the team all year looking for a job.

http://mlbbuzz.yardbarker.com/blog/mlbbuzz/article/could_derrek_lee_help_dodgers/11119457?new_post=true

Deuce

@KirkDavenport @Mike Petriello @wilhud @Frank J Lapidus So basically the good offensive players are counterbalanced by many AB's from guys who are beyond horrible. To make it worse, three of the four guys in the bottom 10 are making good money. And worse yet, we are getting bottom 10 production from the easiest position in baseball to find offense.

KirkDavenport

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@Mike Petriello @wilhud @Frank J Lapidus Whatever series of stats anyone wants to use, Fangraps, WAR, RC, Bill James and any perrmutation thereof, Uribe, Loney, Rivera and Gordon come in at the bottom 10 or so of all the players in both leagues. .

The Dodgers give away any chance to succeed by playing them. Obviously, the decision was taken away from them with Gordon and they are sticking their heads in the sand with Uribe . Has it all come down to just sitting on their butts until they can call up a bunch of minor leaguers in Sept., Playing minor leaguers should be the means to help determine their future value, but for the Dodgers playing the minor leaguers may be their only chance to make it to the playoffs

JohnM (MSTI Elitist/Hipster)

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@Mike Petriello @wilhud @Frank J Lapidus For an offensive statistic to be valid Uribe has to be last.

Mike Petriello moderator

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@wilhud @Frank J Lapidus I like wOBA:

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=100&type=8&season=2012&month=0&season1=2012&ind=0&team=22&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=15,d

Uribe, dead last.

wilhud

meant to type /27 ABs...my bad

ED_IN_DE

he can only tie it now.

Guitar

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Loney now stands only with J.D. Martinez for the NL lead for GIDP's....

Martinez has almost 60 more AB's, though.

God almighty....

wilhud

lmao, what was that?

Guitar

yet another s----ty day to be a Dodger fan

ED_IN_DE

planets aligning for Loney GWRBI

Guitar

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@ED_IN_DE An RBI isn't awarded for a DP

ED_IN_DE

@Guitar just you wait...

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