Marlins @ Dodgers August 24, 2012: WHAT THE HOLY HELL

It. Happens. Every. Time.

Longtime readers of this site will know that I have something of a reputation for being away from home at the most inopportune moments. When the Dodgers got Manny Ramirez? I was on tour with a band in Cincinnati. When they traded Carlos Santana for Casey Blake a few days before that, it was Wisconsin.  When they got no-hit by the Angels and WON? I was in Baltimore. Even just a few weeks ago, when they were busy getting Shane Victorino & Brandon League on July 31, I was in Chicago on business. It never fails – when something awesome happens, I tend to be away from home and not immediately need a computer.

Marlins
Dodgers
LF
Petersen
LF
Victorino
CF
Ruggiano
2B
M.Ellis
SS
Reyes
CF
Kemp
1B
Lee
RF
Ethier
RF
Stanton
SS
Ramirez
3B
Dobbs
3B
Cruz
2B
Solano
1B
Rivera
C
Brantly
C
A.Ellis
P
Eovaldi
P
Billingsley

So you can imagine how badly I’ve been bouncing off the walls for hours on a 4.5 hour bus ride (to Boston, coincidentally) watching the Twitterz explode with news of the massive, massive trade that is apparently going to send Adrian Gonzalez, Carl Crawford, Josh Beckett, & Nick Punto to the Dodgers for Rubby de la Rosa, Jerry Sands, Allen Webster, Ivan DeJesus Jr, and James Loney, though it’s not fully official and that package may not be legit.

This isn’t a trade. It’s a franchise-defining statement that we could spend years fully parsing through. Unfortunately, I don’t have years. I only have about ten minutes before the wonderfully understanding future wife rescinds her laptop and insists we go out to dinner, so some bullet point thoughts are going to have to suffice:

  1. HOLY CRAP.
  2. These new owners? NOT MESSING AROUND.
  3. You can argue in what order, but this team could suddenly have a middle of the lineup of Matt Kemp, Adrian Gonzalez, Hanley Ramirez, & Andre Ethier, with A.J. Ellis, Luis Cruz, Mark Ellis, & Shane Victorino providing support. I mean, good lord.
  4. The end of James Loney! I don’t want that to get lost here. He’s gone!
  5. We’ve long known that DeJesus had no future here, and obviously losing Loney is addition by subtraction.
  6. Don’t even think about Carl Crawford right now. He’s injured and won’t play for the Dodgers in 2012. We’ll need to dig into what made him such a bust in Boston at another time, but for the moment I’m trying to keep in mind just how talented he was in Tampa.
  7. Much as I will miss seeing Sands develop, if you’ve just added Gonzalez and Crawford for years to come, to an outfield that already has Kemp & Ethier and Yasiel Puig (among others) on the way, it’s hard to argue there’s room for him – if Don Mattingly was ever even going to play him, if he won’t.
  8. Josh Beckett’s velocity drop concerns me. But we’ve seen guys go from AL->NL and succeed before, and was anyone dying to see more Joe Blanton?
  9. Speaking of which, thanks for coming, Joe Blanton.
  10. HOLY CRAP.
  11. I will miss Rubby de la Rosa and Allen Webster. A lot. In fact, I wrote about how great RDLR was at Fangraphs just this morning, and that’s a loss which is going to hurt – I expect them both to succeed. But as we’ve seen before, starting pitching is a position of depth, and you still have Zach Lee and a rotation which now is wildly overstuffed, so…
  12. How in the hell did Rubby get past the entire NL to get claimed by Toronto? Shape up, Houston.
  13. Oh cool, Alex Castellanos is back.
  14. Nick Punto? Um, great. Does this mean Uribe is gone yet?
  15. Look, Loney & IDJ2 are useless, so you’ve traded three good prospects for one excellent first baseman and two huge risk/good reward veterans. I’m not sure how I feel about that, and I know that many of you will hate it. I get it.
  16. At the end of the day, the 2012 club is absolutely improved, and that’s going to make the rest of the season phenomenal to watch.
  17. Why did I schedule a wedding and honeymoon over the last two weeks of September? At this rate, when I return, they’ll have traded for Miguel Cabrera and moved the team to Times Square.
  18. KEMP/GONZALEZ/ETHIER/RAMIREZ. I mean.. good god.
  19. Dinner beckons.

For what is undoubtedly one of the most important days in franchise history, I feel like I’m being woefully minimalistic  in digging into it; unfortunately, this came out of nowhere, and real life can’t be put off. Much, much, MUCH more to come.

Oh, and Nathan Eovaldi is back, but is this anything like the team he left? I think not.

1904 comments
KirkDavenport
KirkDavenport

What is with the Puig slump? - .671 OPS no XBH - 9 singles, 5 walks

I just see the stats and have not seen him play - was he brought up too soon to Rancho? Anyone have info - I know it is small sample size, but there are so many of the MSTI clan who are expecting him in L.A. by next year

 

One professional scribe on the tube last night said this big Dodger deal will have the added benefit of not having Dodger prospects "rushed" to the majors. Giving Castellanos, Puig, ZLee and even Dee Gordon more time in the minors should only help their full development

Batted Bob
Batted Bob

I didnt watch my buddies die face down in the muck to go to a new post. This is America. I'm staying and finishing this thread until we get to 2000 comments. I'm stayin.

DBrim
DBrim moderator

New post.

Gilbert_Vengeance
Gilbert_Vengeance

So this trade not only rids us of Loney, It in essence turns Rivera into a pinch-hit threat that we havnt had since Olmedo!!!! I think Rivera will bring value as a pinch-hitter.... on the field every other day not so much.

HarryDoyle
HarryDoyle

Um, where's the Clayton Extension payroll space coming from now? Mike? Need a piece on this.

Gilbert_Vengeance
Gilbert_Vengeance

Well the big two hurdles were Beckett and Crawford waiving their no trades and they both have done so.... Im guessing that Bud will approve it here pretty soon and they can hop their asses on a plane and be here in time for me to go see the game tonight :) probably taking a bit because of the physicals needed to be taken...

Disgruntled Goat
Disgruntled Goat moderator

the shittiest part of all this is what's going on with billz. 

 

i'm going for a bike ride, when i get back in about three hours, i wants this trade final and word on the MRI. 

DBrim
DBrim moderator

So what happens to the roster? Sounds like Bills isn't going to the DL yet, but you probably can't get rid of Blanton yet because you need to make sure he's okay.  I could see us going to a short bench as a result

 

My guesses:

Castellanos option (see you in a week, Alex)

Uribe DFA

HarryDoyle
HarryDoyle

Anyone smelling Pedro-delino in this? I don't know how I am feeling about this. I wanted more $$$ when it those trade pieces became solid last night. 12 mil, ugh.

Disgruntled Goat
Disgruntled Goat moderator

So is Victorino officially the worst starter on this team now? hmmmmmm VeDod? 

Dang88
Dang88

@BNightengale: Adrian Gonzalez expected to be in #dodgers starting lineup tonight

Batted Bob
Batted Bob

@Gilbert_Vengeance No more LOOGY on ethier

DBrim
DBrim moderator

 @HarryDoyle A lot of dead money coming off the books just in time.

Frank J Lapidus
Frank J Lapidus

@Gilbert_Vengeance Physicals done and approvd by both teams already

Gilbert_Vengeance
Gilbert_Vengeance

 @DBrim thats pretty funnny not gonna lie.... the Rubby and LOney ones were spot on... tho id get a more excited GIF for Agonz

HarryDoyle
HarryDoyle

@el serracho Thank god Ned was already balls deep on a trade the amazing Beckett. From worst in AL to best in NL. It's gotta happen, right? The Reverse Dempster!

Frank J Lapidus
Frank J Lapidus

@el serracho MRI already done, elbow inflammation just like last time...no word on dl, but he may have to spend another 15 days resting

HarryDoyle
HarryDoyle

@DBrim I think DFA'ing Uribe was the main motivation for the whole trade.

Frank J Lapidus
Frank J Lapidus

@HarryDoyle Me too, that was surprising...at least it pays for those guys for the rest of the season

Frank J Lapidus
Frank J Lapidus

@AnotherBrian Soon as Bud signs off. Someone go wake him

DBrim
DBrim moderator

 @el serracho Depends on what happens to Dee and if Cruz turns into a pumpkin.

Dang88
Dang88

@el serracho M Ellis ?

Disgruntled Goat
Disgruntled Goat moderator

 @Dang88 Adrian would have be to thinking about a flight right now for this to happen. seems unlikely. 

DBrim
DBrim moderator

 @Dang88 I really don't like this trade for a lot of reasons, but I can't wait to see him in Dodger blue.

Dang88
Dang88

@DBrim @HarryDoyle Lilly Harrang will be gone but not soon enough

HarryDoyle
HarryDoyle

@Frank J Lapidus lux tax cap at 176 next year, I think.

DBrim
DBrim moderator

 @Frank J Lapidus  @HarryDoyle I wonder if it's a lump sum or not.  If it is, it makes a lot of sense to apply it all next year. Per Cot's, we're on the hook for $192MM next year now. Luxury tax threshold is much less than that. After next year, we have some dead money coming off the books, and the luxury tax cap goes up to $189MM.

Dang88
Dang88

@DBrim @el serracho Cruz is no pumpkin

Dang88
Dang88

@DBrim Like Stan said when you have as much money as them they can make a few mistakes along the way

DBrim
DBrim moderator

 @Dang88  @DBrim  @HarryDoyle Seeing as Kershaw is signed next year, yes, it will be.  Also I think 2014 is the year we stop paying for Andruw Jones.

Gilbert_Vengeance
Gilbert_Vengeance

 @HarryDoyle  @DBrim id definately keep Rivera off the bench for a right handed pinch hitter.... Uribe is the DFA candy....Uribe strikes out where as Rivera can actually get a hit maybe pop one out of the park so MUCH more valuable as a pinch hitter than a platoon player...

HarryDoyle
HarryDoyle

@DBrim Rivera...? Juan Rivera? Hah. Good one. Did you see that HR he hit last night? That means he is about to go on a tear. He is going to hit at least...1 more HR this year. They're gonna need that power. And what about him flashing that sweet Juan Rivera leather at first. Always a joy to watch. Need I continue?

Frank J Lapidus
Frank J Lapidus

@DBrim @HarryDoyle Yep, it may be cash to use to pay the tax next year

Frank J Lapidus
Frank J Lapidus

@el serracho @el @Dang88 6 hr flight - 3 hrs time difference so 3 net hrs...and he knew since yesterday afternoon so hopefully that is enough time

Dang88
Dang88

@el serracho @Frank J Lapidus @el I read that and thought you said parking not packing haha

Disgruntled Goat
Disgruntled Goat moderator

 @Frank J Lapidus  @el  @Dang88 oh yea, but it's got to get done soon. he has 12 hours for a 5 hour flight...plus packing, getting to airport, etc. if he's coming, the man must already be getting ready. if the deal ain't done, he won't be. 

Frank J Lapidus
Frank J Lapidus

@DBrim @el serracho @Dang88 Look at it this way...CC could be an overpaid Bourn...maybe even better...and many of us wanted Bourn

Dang88
Dang88

@DBrim @el serracho if Crawford can be healthy he will be a very good weapon

DBrim
DBrim moderator

 @el serracho  @Dang88 I have two big issues. 1. Rubby. 2. Crawford.  If there was only one big issue, I'd feel a lot better.  Rubby is special.  Crawford is a giant gamble that's signed for a long time and pushes us really close to the luxury tax.

Dang88
Dang88

@el serracho @el @DBrim Lee was giving millions

Frank J Lapidus
Frank J Lapidus

@Dang88 No doubt..and furthermore, after all these trades, the farm is still stronger than it was 6 months ago

Dang88
Dang88

@el serracho @DBrim I'm honestly surprised after all the trades we still have Lee

Disgruntled Goat
Disgruntled Goat moderator

 @DBrim  @Dang88 if Becket can revert to form, I'm ok with it. I would love nothing more than to have a kid like Rubby develop they way we think and hope he can, but this is the cost. 

 

i hate that we lost two of our best pitching prospects. 

Dang88
Dang88

@DBrim Gotta give to get

DBrim
DBrim moderator

 @Dang88  @DBrim Doesn't make me feel any better about losing Rubby.