Rockies @ Dodgers September 28, 2012: Francis vs Kershaw

And so it comes to this. The Dodgers may not deserve to be still alive for a playoff spot, and it’s only because Bud Selig pushed through the second wild card that it’s even a concern, but here we are: six games left, three games out, and Clayton Kershaw on the mound. By the time the first pitch is thrown, Adam Wainwright and the Cardinals will be about six innings into the start of their series against Edwin Jackson and the Nationals, though it remains to be seen what Washington’s effort level will be this weekend as their playoff spot is all but sewn up.

That being the case, you really don’t have a lot of time left to mess around, and so it’s interesting to see that Don Mattingly has Andre Ethier & Shane Victorino down at 6 and 7 in the lineup tonight. There’s good reasons for both, of course, since Ethier’s troubles against lefties (Colorado throws Jeff Francis tonight) are well-known, and Victorino has been terrible even when he’s not dealing with a sore wrist. That puts Mark Ellis back at the top of the lineup and Luis Cruz hitting second for just the fourth time. With A.J. Ellis‘ recent struggles derailing any drumbeat to move him up higher, this is pretty much the best lineup you could hope for given the players available, so good on Mattingly for that.

In other news, the Dodgers finalized the Victorino trade by sending minor league infielder Stefan Jarrin to the Phillies. Jarrin is a 22-year-old second baseman who was a 40th round pick in the 2011 draft and has hit .211 in 175 rookie league plate appearances over the last two seasons, though he’s of course far better known as the grandson of Dodger Spanish announcer Jaime Jarrin. The thought that it took three players to get the awful Victorino is somewhat disturbing; then again, Jarrin’s not anywhere close to a real prospect. If anything, I’m surprised the Phillies even wanted him.

Rockies
Dodgers
SS
Rutledge
2B
M.Ellis
CF
Colvin
3B
Cruz
1B
Pacheco
CF
Kemp
C
Rosario
1B
Gonzalez
3B
Nelson
SS
Ramirez
RF
McBride
RF
Ethier
LF
Brown
LF
Victorino
2B
LeMahieu
C
A.Ellis
P
Francis
P
Kershaw

 

775 comments
efb
efb

If you could change the Triple Crown for batting or pitching, what three stats would you include?

Guitar
Guitar

Prince Fielder home run. Hell to the yes.

 

"You're a Tigers fan. We get it."

Beat ya to do dat.

Paulstralia
Paulstralia

This has probably been discussed already, but looking at the numbers, Kershaw seriously deserves to be in the Cy Young conversation. How is this not getting any attention from any major media source? Wins? 

DBrim
DBrim moderator

@Mike Petriello @CodeBlueICU Yeah but the alternative is Punto.

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And I'm going to this game. Donnie. You awesome terrible great man

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FINALLY!!!!! OMG. My life. I can die happily

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Guitar
Guitar

 @The_Real_Paul -win/loss record

-team isn't going to the playoffs

-west coast team

 

ERA is king. I don't give a crap about win/loss records.

But they do.

craigary
craigary

 @The_Real_Paul No idea why he's being overlooked, other than that they once again totally overrate wins, and that he was banged up for a little while, and Dickey has been a great story, and pitches in NY. And honestly, I'd have no problem with Dickey winning, but there are a # of other pitchers who get mentioned ahead of Kershaw. He needs to finish in top 3 or so or it'll be a shame.

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i have no idea why kershaws so far below radar. It has to be wins.

DBrim
DBrim moderator

@Mike Petriello @Cadtalfryn most national baseball writers are the worst.

DBrim
DBrim moderator

@Cadtalfryn Defense has value.

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dont ruin my moment!!!!

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wins, saves and MSTI points

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please not FIP :(

efb
efb

 @Guitar For instance, instead of ERA, Wins and SO, would it be ERA, WHIP and WAR?

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thats such bullshit. The ranking, not you

Paulstralia
Paulstralia

 @Guitar Isn't there always a bit of an incumbent advantage though? 

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ERA is coo. As long as Dee isnt playing behind you

DBrim
DBrim moderator

@WBBsAs @Saber Kid #293.2 Not even close. Posey, Molina, Braun all having better years.

DBrim
DBrim moderator

Actually, replace OPS with wRC+

DBrim
DBrim moderator

@The_Real_Paul @CodeBlueICU Hitting: OPS, wOBA, WAR. Pitching: K/BB, FIP, and... Hm.

Paulstralia
Paulstralia

 @CodeBlueICU I think FIP is a useful stat, not the be all end all that so many people think it is. 

Lobo
Lobo

 @KungFu Panza   @efb  @Guitar Not to mention that HR and RBI are kind of similar stats in that the same types of hitters get them.  The leader in HRs is usually also the leader in RBI or at least close.

LakerDodger24 (Kirby Pls)
LakerDodger24 (Kirby Pls)

 @efb  @Guitar If that's the case, I would switch that to: Avg. HR, and OBP, simply because RBI's are affected more by the team than by the hitter. Like that one time Adrian Gonzalez hit 40 HR and only had 90 RBI's. Half of his RBI's were himself lulz. 

Mike Petriello
Mike Petriello moderator

 @Lobo  @CodeBlueICU remember, that list isn't who they think SHOULD win, it's who they think WILL win based on how voters have gone in the past. That being the case, wins are completely valid to include there.

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i agree with one hundred percent of what you just said.

Lobo
Lobo

 @CodeBlueICU I know, it's ridiculous.  It completely overrates saves and wins.  The saves things especially bothers me because I am not a fan of relievers winning the Cy Young, mostly because saves are a bullshit stat but also because it's possible for relievers to rack up huge numbers of strikeouts due to being able to throw so much harder because they only pitch an inning or two per game they play in.  That's not to say I don't like those relievers or think they have a really easy time of it (I love Kenley for example) but they just don't have to deal with the workload of starting pitchers, nor do they have to be as crafty to retire hitters who have faced them two or three times in a single game.