2012 Dodgers in Review #7: 2B Mark Ellis

.258/.333/.364 464pa 7hr 2.9 fWAR B

2012 in brief: Injury-prone veteran – wait for it – got injured and missed about six weeks, but generally provided quality defense and adequate offense.

2013 status: Will earn $5.25m in final year of two-year deal and is likely to return as starting second baseman.

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You know, it’s interesting. I can’t really say Ellis was good, you know? His .313 wOBA was merely tied for 16th with Omar Infante among all second basemen with 450 or more plate appearances, and that’s hardly something to be proud of. He was particularly troublesome after returning on July 4 from Tyler Greene‘s attempt to destroy his leg, hitting only .251/.314/.364 in 310 plate appearances, which is actually pretty lousy.

Yet… B. That’s for a few reasons, I think. First, his defense was as good as advertised, topping second basemen in UZR/150, and while I’m well aware of the difficulties in existing defensive metrics, I think we can all agree that it passes the sniff test. Second, it’s hard to ignore how much of a mess the position was when he was out, as the team attempted to patch with various combinations of Adam Kennedy, Jerry Hairston, Elian Herrera, and sometimes even Ivan De Jesus. And finally… well, remember how poor he was in 2011 (.288 OBP between Oakland & Colorado) and how little we thought of him when he was signed:

Mark Ellis is coming off a .288 OBP and is the proud owner of a better wOBA than Jamey Carroll exactly one time going back to 2006, yet he’s going to pull down about a million dollars more per season than the Carroll contract we didn’t even particularly like. Ellis was once a solid player with some pop, hitting double-digit homers each year between 2005-09, but that’s declined precipitously as he’s aged and been injured, averaging 33.5 days on the disabled list over the last four seasons. (h/t to pal Jay Jaffe on that stat.) Ellis is pretty one-dimensional now, since he doesn’t get on base well, doesn’t have a lot of power, and only has real value in his defense. Age and injuries – particularly leg injuries, which is what Ellis has had – can do a lot to diminish an infielder, so if Ellis suffers even a little with the glove, that’s going to make him a trouble spot, quickly.

Ellis wasn’t able to avoid the leg injury, of course, but he did manage to prove his toughness by coming back in only about six weeks after the injury that was reported at the time to have nearly cost him the leg entirely. Despite that, he didn’t lose any effectiveness in the field and showed at least a mild improvement in his on-base skills over 2011, and so it’s hard to argue with a three-win player at second base, particularly when Carroll fell apart in Minnesota.

I’ll admit that I carry some of the same concerns into 2013, as Ellis heads into his age-36 season, and again, wasn’t that great. But honestly, I think I’d be a lot more okay with it if the roster can be constructed in such a way so that Ellis doesn’t have to hit first or second in the lineup – because that’s what second basemen do, you know – since as a solid-glove #7 type, he’s fine. It’d also be nice if they could find a platoon partner who could help ameliorate his inability to hit righty pitching (.612 OPS vs .877 against lefties), though somehow I doubt Don Mattingly will see him as a platoon player.

Still, all in all a successful season given expectations. Except, I feel like I’m forgetting something. What was it…?

Unfortunate memory captured for posterity by Chad Moriyama

Oh, right. That.

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Next up! Nick Punto arrives to fill the Aaron Miles Memorial Roster Spot For Gritty White Guys!

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Mike Petriello
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Here comes new post. Hope Amazon cooperates.

Disgruntled Goat
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over/under on how much of this game i can tolerate watching? 2 innings? 

DBrim
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 @el serracho I'm just sitting this one out for sanity's sake.

DBrim
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My Kindle shipped today.  Therefore, this somehow my fault.

DBrim
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Apparently somebody took one of my (female) coworkers on a date to ... Dunkin Donuts this afternoon. Swing and a miss.

EephusBlue
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 @DBrim aw. they have good coffee. or at least that's what I hear.

 

Is that true east coasters? is their coffee any good?

Mike Petriello
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 @DBrim what's worse, taking a date to Dunkin Donuts, or having a Monday afternoon first (presumably) date?

DavePomerantz
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 @DBrim Depends on the lady, I guess. Also, isn't Dunkin very popular for just coffee on the East Coast? Kinda like a 1st, afternoon date at Starbucks out here?

Mike Petriello
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ha

 

RT @Cindyluellis: @AJEllis17 I accidentally hijacked your phone. Hope you can live without your right arm for 3 hours

EephusBlue
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This is outstanding!

http://youtu.be/rUaj7rj6MI8

EephusBlue
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Also amazing is that the artist (Molly Crabapple) does all of that with ink. WOW.

Disgruntled Goat
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 @EephusBlue that is pretty cool. ever seen this? 

 

http://www.carlkingdom.com/10-myths-about-introverts

 

was like reading about my own brain. people think i'm an extrovert because i can, when forced, speak well and explain ideas, but i MUCH prefer to avoid that. 

EephusBlue
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 @el serracho This is really spot on

 

Myth #1 – Introverts don’t like to talk.This is not true. Introverts just don’t talk unless they have something to say. They hate small talk. Get an introvert talking about something they are interested in, and they won’t shut up for days.

EephusBlue
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 @el serracho I think more people should live by this rule. Dont say shit unless u have something worthwhile to say.  In academia I am surrounded by blowhards that like to hear the sound of their own voice, even though they have nothing worthwhile to contribute (most research professors fit into this category, in fact I think its required for tenure).  Meetings are just  painful.

EephusBlue
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 @el serracho yo! same here man!  I totally agree.  I hate having to present things but can if I have to. I really prefer not though. JUST LEAVEME ALONE PEOPLE!!!!! rabblerabblerabble

EephusBlue
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Gotta say its nice to hear that we are going after international players that are first round caliber.  Even if we don't get Otani (I say we do) it soooooo good to hear.  It makes me pull my hair out thinking of all those Frank years where we just let that talent pool go untapped. BOOOOOO FRANK! U SUCK!

Disgruntled Goat
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 @EephusBlue  The hate is swelling in you now. Take your Jedi weapon. Use it. I am unarmed. Strike me down with it. Give in to your anger. With each passing moment you make yourself more my servant.

Disgruntled Goat
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I wonder, when Mike wrote up this nice assessment of Mellis if he could have imagined where the discussion would lead. And if he did...would he have posted it. 

 

Boggles the mind. 

DBrim
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@el serracho I'm pretty sure he knows us by now.

EephusBlue
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So maybe Otani wasn't really throwing 100mph that day. But if he did, can u imagine being a high school kid and seeing a fastball at 100mph? wow.

EephusBlue
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Mighty bold of Mike to think he could assign a grade to the living legend that is Nick Punto. Mighty bold.......

Mike Petriello
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 @EephusBlue who's to say I did?

Disgruntled Goat
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 @Mike Petriello  @EephusBlue imma go out on a limb here and guess that he gets a pretty decent grade. dude was expected to suck and ...well, did not suck completely. 

EephusBlue
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 @el serracho  @Mike Petriello how dare you! Nick Punto is great!  

 

Bzzzzzzt! u get a hangover....mild one.....couple of beers too many and a mild achey head. But still. Bzzzzzt

DBrim
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@el serracho @Mike Petriello @EephusBlue Did he even have enough plate appearances to avoid an incomplete?

Scruffy
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Is that photo of Mark from the interleague trip to the Coliseum when he was just about to come off the DL? Looks like the wave he gave the Oakland crowd after they played the tribute to him. 

Disgruntled Goat
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 @Catfish-fryin' right before they thrashed the dodgers. 

EephusBlue
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 @el serracho  @Catfish-fryin' they stole our mojo in that series

DBrim
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@el serracho @EephusBlue @el @DavePomerantz Context is important.

Disgruntled Goat
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 @EephusBlue  @DBrim  @el  @DavePomerantz 

 

Ok, here's a riddle even the great sphynx could not fulley determine. 

 

Is it "panty waste" or "panty waist?"

 

i.e, "you are a waste of perfectly good panties"

 

or

 

"you have a waist that is suitable for panties"

 

 

discuss.  

DBrim
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@EephusBlue @el @DavePomerantz Two things. 1. It doesn't have to make sense. 2. Some of our more perverted brethren probably have such a thing.

DBrim
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@el serracho @DavePomerantz @EephusBlue One step above douchebag. Which is probably vaguely sexist, not that I think about it.

DBrim
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Also, my phone autocorrects dickish to dickbag. But it autocorrects dickbag to sickbay.

DBrim
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@EephusBlue @el serracho @Catfish-fryin' A couple years ago I had a car with really loud squeaky brakes. I knew precisely how hard to press them to get them to go. If somebody cut me off or did something dickish, they'd get an earful.

EephusBlue
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 @el serracho  @Catfish-fryin' this would be the greatest super power ever. Non lethal but plenty annoying. 

 

"cut me off in traffic, i wont shoot you but now u have a hangover"

Disgruntled Goat
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 @EephusBlue  @Catfish-fryin' aw man...if i could do that...

 

actually, my preferred super power is the hangover ray. i think it speaks for itself. 

 

zzzzzzz (you have a hangover)