Winter Meetings, Day One: The Ned Colletti Truth-O-Meter

After nearly a full day at the winter meetings, only Mike Napoli, Joakim Soria, James Loney, & Angel Pagan have already found new homes. For the Dodgers, things have been moving just a little more slowly thus far, so let’s take some of Ned Colletti’s media comments this afternoon and try to put a little truth to them:

Talks with Hyun-jin Ryu “are moving slowly” and “at this pace, they won’t get done“.

That’s Ned Colletti speaking to Dylan Hernandez, and sorry, I just don’t believe it. From everything I’ve heard from multiple sources, the only thing preventing this deal from being done is crossing the T’s and dotting the… lowercase J’s. Look, it’s Scott Boras. His deals never get done until the last minute (which would be 2pm PT on Sunday), and it’s not like he can shop Ryu around to other teams. This might be the Dodgers wanting to squeeze Boras just a bit or attempting to send a signal to teams sniffing around Chris Capuano & Aaron Harang that they better up their offer because the Dodgers may not have as much pitching to spare as they think, but either way, this doesn’t pass the sniff test. Ryu wants to be in Los Angeles, his Korean team wants the money, and these deals always end up getting signed. A+ on the posturing, though, Ned.

Yasiel Puig will likely start at AA“.

That one is from Colletti to Bill Shaikin, and it makes plenty of sense; it’s really barely even news, because it’s what we’ve been expecting all along. That might disappoint those who were hoping that Puig was going to break camp with the club as the starting left fielder, but it’s really the right call. Puig had only 95 plate appearances in the minors last year after missing most of the last two seasons while trying to defect, and then he missed valuable time this winter by having to sit out the Arizona Fall League with an elbow infection. Double-A is the right place for him to be, and it’s not like the Dodgers are short on outfielders. I’ll buy this one.

No offers have been put out” but the Dodgers “have been talking to 10-12 teams about potential trades“. 

This one’s difficult to parse because there’s not much meat to it. I mean, sure, everyone knows  the Dodgers have been checking in with several other teams, but it’s not always “news”. For example, I can tell you with reasonable certainty that they’ve at least reached out to the Mets about R.A. Dickey, but I’m not going to go run to Twitter and start a firestorm about some intense interest, because we don’t know the extent of it. The Dodgers need a top pitcher, we’re in a rare situation where the reigning Cy Young winner is available, so why wouldn’t they at least inquire? (For the record, the Mets really want a center fielder & catcher in a potential Dickey deal, and I’m pretty sure Joc Pederson & Tim Federowicz aren’t exactly what they had in mind.) I’m sure they’ve also checked in with Tampa on James Shields, perhaps Miami on Yunel Escobar, almost certainly Pittsburgh on Joel Hanrahan, maybe even Washington for Mike Morse or Cleveland for Asdrubal Cabrera, and a ton of other things we’ll never hear about as well.

As for “no offers” being put out, my guess is that just means no formalized written contracts. We’re all sure parameters have been discussed verbally.

Much more to come…

493 comments
HarryDoyle
HarryDoyle

ugh.  i gotta look at pagan's a-hole face 19 times a year for the foreseeable future.  FML.

Mike Petriello
Mike Petriello moderator

i am so embarrassed at the nerdiness of the title in a NEW POST

EephusBlue
EephusBlue moderator

I find the flow of information regarding trade or FA rumors fascinating. The way that the media is manipulated to control the narrative and influence potential contract negotiations is so interesting.  For instance, you know a guy like Heyman is fed info because agents/front offices know he will publish a report and it will get cited whether it is really true or not.

EephusBlue
EephusBlue moderator

So who's up at this hour? East coasters?

DeucesWild
DeucesWild

So day 1 is over no Greinke or Stanton, DO YOUR JOB NED!! Geez

efb
efb

People here like Felix over Greinke?

Paulstralia
Paulstralia

I'm not tired. I feel like the bar closed and I have nowhere to go. 

capnsparrow
capnsparrow

My worst fear is Wilson getting a flyer from Ned. I'd have to actually go out back and get rid of that damn gnome i been pissing on for months now!

Scully Osis
Scully Osis

So should I order my Dodger Stanton jersey now or later?

 

capnsparrow
capnsparrow

Eephus just what are you trying to drop not so subtle hints about?

Mike Petriello
Mike Petriello moderator

 @EephusBlue I find Rosenthal the most reliable.

 

I dislike Heyman less than most.

 

Morosi is the worst.

DBrim
DBrim moderator

@Deuces Wild Stanton isn't getting traded.

Paulstralia
Paulstralia

 @efb If I had to give big money/years to one, I'd go Greinke. Felix's arm is liable to fall off any minute now.

DINGERS!
DINGERS!

 @efb Greinke only costs money.  They are saving their prospects for either another blockbuster, or for reinforcements

EephusBlue
EephusBlue moderator

 @Mike Petriello Yeah its funny, Rosenthal does seem to find out the real stuff. Heyman seems to me like an open mic that anyone with a rumor can speak into to broadcast to the world

EephusBlue
EephusBlue moderator

 @Mike Petriello Hah. I did not expect a response. Who/what's the subject? Winter Meetings Day 2?

DeucesWild
DeucesWild

 @DBrim  Sorry, sarcasm doesn't always translate well through text

MSTI OG
MSTI OG

Get it just to troll when Miami comes to DS

DBrim
DBrim moderator

@The_Real_Paul @Gilbert_Vengeance @efb Or it could mean he's getting a jump on the path to a certain place in upstate New York.

Paulstralia
Paulstralia

 @Gilbert_Vengeance  @efb i remember that link, and I think it was a little more complicated than that. But yeah, Kershaw's workload is a little scary, especially since the $200 mil figure is getting tossed around. 

Gilbert_Vengeance
Gilbert_Vengeance

 @The_Real_Paul  @efb I think i remember someone (VND i think) post a link with Pitchers since a few years back that have pitched the most innings and i remember King Felix was #2 to our Clayton.

Paulstralia
Paulstralia

 @efb 200 IP at age 22, 238 IP at age 23, 249 at age 24, ~230 in each of the last two seasons. It adds up. 

DINGERS!
DINGERS!

he just signed, and the amount of cash needed to move him wouldn't be all that enticing. That's why Ethier COULD be a centerpiece to a blockbuster. 3 players from Miami, and a BIG haul from L.A. Almost anyone would be on the table. Except for Kemp, Kershaw, and Adrian Gonzalez. Greinke stays here too LULZ @The_Real_Paul @Disgruntled @capnsparrow

DINGERS!
DINGERS!

@Disgruntled Goat @capnsparrow If Nolasco is available, then Yuni likely is too. Just a matter if they can entice Miami to include Giancarlo by taking those two and including enough high end talent. Once you get past Z Lee, you have to wonder how much is left afterwards. Pretty sure an Ethier salary dump would be a prerequisite considering the state of the farm. I bet Puig stays though.

Disgruntled Goat
Disgruntled Goat moderator

 @capnsparrow yeah, i feel bad cus i pressed him here a couple times when he just wanted to shoot the shit. but that was on me.