Hyun-Jin Ryu And Scouting the Spring Stat Line

Hyun-Jin Ryu struck out five Indians yesterday, including getting Ryan Rohlinger, Drew Stubbs & Jason Kipnis all in the third inning, the highlight of what was generally a positive outing for him.

MLB.com’s A.J. Cassavell liked it:

For three innings on Wednesday, Dodgers left-hander Hyun-Jin Ryu showed the kind of stuff that made him five-time strikeout king of the Korea Baseball Organization.

Never mind the fourth inning in which Ryu surrendered a couple of hits and was charged with two runs. Dodgers manager Don Mattingly — who made the trip to Goodyear, even with most of his starters in Glendale, specifically to get a good look at the Dodgers’ $62 million investment — came away impressed.

Those earned runs on his line didn’t do his outing much justice. Ryu looked very sharp, and he highlighted his day by striking out the side — all looking — in the third inning.

So did Bill Plunkett of the Orange County Register, and Kevin Baxter of the Los Angeles Times, and so on. But on the other side is ESPN’s Keith Law, who is decidedly not a fan in an article that went up earlier today. It’s behind the paywall, so I won’t reproduce it here. Law likes Ryu’s changeup, calling it “very good” and a 55-60 on the 20-80 scouting scale, and the deception his odd motion causes, but little else. He had Ryu’s fastball not getting above 90 and not having enough movement to fool hitters, and his curve and slider as being mediocre.

I imagine that most Dodger fans will read Law’s words and think that he’s “anti-Dodger” or looking for negativity in the face of a successful outing. It’s only natural of us to think that way, right? We see a pitcher who the team invested millions in getting outs, and our instinct is to think that Law is simply looking to be contrary, and that’s not entirely unfair given Law’s well-earned snarky reputation.

Yet I look at that report and I wonder what exactly it is that we can point out as being patently unfair. We always knew that Ryu’s plus offering was his changeup, which Law acknowledges, and there were always questions about his secondary offerings. I suppose you can quibble a bit about Law’s evaluation of Ryu’s fastball, but Law was in the stands and we weren’t.

Though I respect him, it’s not that Law is unquestionably correct, either, because I’m not going to make any kinds of judgement after three spring outings — it’s still only March 6. Maybe Law’s assertion that he doesn’t “see more than a fringy fourth starter here” is right, and maybe Ryu has more to offer when he’s acclimated and in games that actually count. But the one thing we should all know better than is to judge off of spring stats, and while Ryu’s line yesterday looks nice, understand that Rohlinger is a Quad-A guy and Stubbs was one of the worst regular hitters in the game last year.

Rangers
Dodgers
2B
Kinsler
SS
Gordon
RF
Gentry
2B
Amezaga
LF
Murphy
LF
Puig
3B
Beltre
RF
Moore
DH
Baker
3B
Herrera
C
Pierzynski
C
Federowicz
1B
Moreland
CF
Gwynn
CF
Martin
1B
Van Slyke
SS
Profar
DH
Castro

Ryu doesn’t need to earn his entire contract this March, but we do need to be cognizant that he’s far from a sure thing, with much to prove. That’s the case no matter how many minor leaguers he strikes out in spring, and no matter how many less-than-stellar scouting reports from guys like Law we see.

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Today’s game against Texas (lineups at right) features Vin Scully on the air, which is nice, because — yikes, that lineup. At least we get a chance to see Yasiel Puig on TV? Chad Billingsley starts, and Peter Moylan, Mark Lowe, & Josh Wall should all see time as well.

Oh and there’s this:

Lilly!

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clinic is closed. no erection meds for anyone

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ill hang out here. bye guys

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WHERES THIS GIF? #LIES #SEQUESTRATION

Pie Fucker
Pie Fucker

have you guys ever taken the time to actually listen to a 1Direction song?  they're really not bad...

JoeyE
JoeyE

so the reason hanley is going to play short is so donnie could bring in shoe maker or hairston late in a game in a double switch?

 

man....

LA_Woman
LA_Woman

MIke the Vin hater is on Fresh Air now. Unfortunately It's not Terry Gross interviewing him. KPCC 89.3 in LA.

Kemps Shoe
Kemps Shoe

Wait there is no quick pitch in the WBC? 

JoeyE
JoeyE

is belisario venezuela's closer or is there some beast im forgetting?

JoeyE
JoeyE

freaking bomb. HANLEYWOOOOD

JoeyE
JoeyE

he hit it off chacin so it doesnt count :P

Mike Petriello
Mike Petriello moderator

Heh. Have I mellowed in my old age? this was me five years ago.

 

 

 

         On Jeff Kent: “He’s the perfect example of a player. He’s struggling, but we know we’re going to get a professional at-bat          every time he gets in the box.”

 

“He’s the perfect example of a player.” I love this sentence. I want to get it tattooed on my back. I want to take it out behind the middle school and get it pregnant. I want it to be prominently displayed on all forms of United States currency from now until the end of time. “He’s the perfect example of a player.” As opposed to, say, Russell Martin, who is the perfect example of a 1920s vaudeville singer, and Brad Penny, who is the perfect example of a hamster. And here we are again with these old-school statements that in reality, mean absolutely nothing: “we know we’re going to get a professional at-bat every time he gets in the box.” It’s not even that I want to get on Jeff Kent here, who’s been pretty decent over the last month (.289/.375/.434, though he is riding a brutal 1-16 stretch right now). It’s just, what do things like that even mean? A “professional at-bat”? Because amateurs like Andre Ethier will wander up with a hockey stick, or James Loney will interrupt the at-bat to stroll back to the dugout to refill his Big League Chew? Look, I respect Joe Torre for all he’s done in this game, but when he consistently comes up with meaningless lines and logic that just don’t make any sense, well, let’s just say it’s not filling me with confidence that this team can get turned around. The Dodgers have enough problems right now without creating their own.

 

DeucesWild
DeucesWild

 @SCK Nope. I've never listened to a Bieber song either, but retain the right to hate

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Lobo
Lobo

 @WBBsAs If there's one thing we really don't have a need for at this point, it's pitching.  Bullpen is already crowded and while Venters is good, there's not really a huge need for him.

Batted Bob
Batted Bob

 @Mike Petriello I remember getting all my msti on google reader, before I knew there were comments. First started going to the actual website after McCourts sin list was published. Then livefyre was integrated and now this is my favorite site.

MSTIer: Jake
MSTIer: Jake

 @Mike Petriello That the Mike I fell in love with.

 

Also yes, Loney basically did interrupt his at bats for big league chew, or might as well have.

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i dont remember this post. i am not a true fan

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Lobo
Lobo

 @WBBsAs But not so dominant that we should give up anything huge for him.  It's not like we don't have good lefty relievers.

Mike Petriello
Mike Petriello moderator

 @Bob Meripol ok let me finish with Hanley and I'll check. Is Cap right that it's after the first Texas out in top 6?

Batted Bob
Batted Bob

 @Mike Petriello top of the sixth, he was running down the sideline with a backpack on with two bats sticking out