NLCS Game 4: Cardinals 4, Dodgers 2, So It’s Come To Michael Young at Shortstop

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For the record, Michael Young didn’t even get a ball hit to him in his time at shortstop, and his eighth inning groundout was no more damaging than anyone else’s, so it’s completely unfair of me to be focusing on him here. Still, it’s the the principle of the thing — when you’re bringing in Young and Carlos Marmol in the same double-switch late in a playoff game, it’s usually a pretty good sign that things have gone terribly, terribly wrong.

And you know, for just a little while, it seemed like this might actually work out. Ricky Nolasco looked sharp for the first two innings, but then he fell apart in the third, allowing a run-scoring double from Matt Adams and an absolutely crushed homer to Matt Holliday. Don Mattingly got one more inning from him, then — after the Dodgers had already had four men reach base and scored two against Lance Lynn in the bottom of the fourth — correctly cut bait with his starter by pinch-hitting for him with men on first & second and one out.

That, unfortunately, was the beginning of the end. Skip Schumaker grounded into a double play, and the threat was lost. Kill Mattingly all you want for using Schumaker there, but the reality is that his options were thin. Young? Terrible. Scott Van Slyke? Sure, maybe, but few managers are going against the platoon situation in order to use an unproven young player.

That was it, really, because the Dodgers never showed any life after that. Only one other man even reached second, and Nick Punto immediately got himself picked off after doubling in one of the dumbest baserunning plays of the year. (Though not necessarily, it should be noted, the worst playoff running mistake of his life.)

You’ll notice that Punto was even in to do that, and that’s because Hanley Ramirez was able to manage only six innings (while striking out three times) due to the fractured rib that was clearly too painful to play with. I wouldn’t expect to see him tomorrow, and that’s unfortunate, because this offense is just not the same without him. Yasiel Puig was the only Dodger with more than one hit (he walked as well), and the lack of offense is a primary reason why they find themselves down 3-1, and possibly less than 24 hours from saying so long to the season.

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thomj
thomj

Ethier had tw hits and a walk as well.

ALVX
ALVX

On Jona Keri's podcast they were talking about Don having an offensive coordinator, I like that idea.

BingeSquinger
BingeSquinger

Anybody from here going to the game tomorrow?

DeucesWild
DeucesWild

I'm just glad I can now refresh the page without being terrified of the result

MSTI OG
MSTI OG

chúc các bạn ngủ ngon :) 

BIah
BIah

2008 Game 5 starter - Billingsley, the inconsistent rookie 

2009 Game 5 starter - Padilla, mediocre pitcher on an unsustainable hot streak

2013 Game 5 starter - Greinke, former Cy Young winner pitching the second best season of his career, hasn't allowed more than 2 runs in a start in the past 3 1/2 months

We got this.

Mike Petriello
Mike Petriello moderator

http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2013/10/15/4843670/cards-win-up-3-1-on-dodgers

This business of schadenfreude is weird. I really like most of the Dodgers bloggers. Jon Weisman is fantastic. Mike Petriello is outstanding, as is Chad Moriyama. The guy who runs the Ned Colletti parody account is legitimately funny. There are probably dorkbags out there, but I haven't found one. On an individual level, I'm sure you could find common ground with all sorts of Dodger fans.

capnsparrow
capnsparrow

John Heyman just reported thaat Dons option is picked up for 2014

MScottEiland
MScottEiland

@DKDodgers @Blue Collar @NoHitWin2008 That argument has been made before, and clearly if starting pitchers *had* to live with a four man rotation, they could.  But it would probably mean not throwing as hard, or throwing even less innings than they do now.  Even with offensive levels down, pitchers work a lot harder than they did in the sixties on a per inning basis.  To go back to four man rotations, starting pitchers would have to adjust how they approached the game, and even elite pitchers wouldn't be immune to that.

BIah
BIah

Wins.

Dialing it up a notch when it matters.

Starting on 3 days rest.

The circle of life continues

MSTI OG
MSTI OG

hasta la mañana, chicos

Lobo
Lobo

@BIah Actually, by fWAR, this is just Greinke's 6th best season

Crazy, right?

MScottEiland
MScottEiland

@Mike Petriello At the risk of amateur psychology, people who have been rabidly against Puig (and before him, Bryce Harper) subconsciously *know* they're being insane d***s, but refuse to admit it to themselves, so they're grasping at whatever trivial straw they can to justify their prejudices.  The money thing is easier to understand, from decades of listening to people complain about the Yankees (who only really won when the money was spent intelligently, and the same will be true for the Dodgers).

Barney G
Barney G

@capnsparrow As long as they didn't give him an extension, they can still fire him during the season if the Dodgers get off to another slow start.

Tired Math Cat
Tired Math Cat

@BIah @SpaceDodger (optimistic math cat) "Courage is associated with testosterone." Then talking about a chemical in the brain for trust. For a man, the test was before and after skydiving. For a woman, it was before and after her wedding. 

gendered.

Tired Math Cat
Tired Math Cat

@BIah @SpaceDodger (optimistic math cat) right now? into the wormhole with morgan freeman. I'm really disappointed.

"Imagine you were a scientist in the early makings of earth." *shows cartoon of white male*

(other information) (starts talking about TNA) (insert cartoon of a booty-licious woman with big boobs) "No, not that kind of TNA" (tits n ass)

BIah
BIah

hasta la vista anestesiologa

MScottEiland
MScottEiland

@Lobo @BIah Missing a month will do damage to a counting stat.  Puig and HR would have been near the top of the NL in WAR (and more traditional stats, to appease any lurking dinosaurs) if they'd maintained their paces over the time they missed.

BIah
BIah

@Lobo SHADDUP IT'S HIS 2ND BEST SEASON BY WINS OKAY

BIah
BIah

@Lobo Which is inversely why the business of schadenfreude is weird on our side.

Grant is awesome, and while we enjoy his ramblings when the Giants are tail spinning, it's too bad that he has to suffer for us to get them.

MScottEiland
MScottEiland

@DKDodgers @MScottEiland @Blue Collar @NoHitWin2008 Bigger strike zone and higher mound back then, at least until 1968--and a lot of the pitchers who were great after that got their formative years in the early to mid 1960's and had less strain on their arms, which probably helped later ("The Diamond Appraised," written by Craig Wright and Tom House about twenty five years ago, had a good piece on the probable effects of that).

  Those pitchers also lived in an era where there were a lot less hitters who had a reasonable chance to take them deep, meaning they could relax a little and concentrate on throwing strikes with maybe less than their A stuff.  There are more pitchers--both starters and relievers--who are throwing 95+ than ever before, and I doubt it's evolution or even steroids account for all or even most of it.  They're *trying* to throw harder on average, and arms get blown out and fatigue results, which is why it's no mystery why closers don't feel comfortable trying to get more than three or four outs when Gossage would routinely go two and might go three if he were well rested.

  This generation of pitchers is geared towards high stress seek and destroy missions against hitters who almost always have the capacity to take them deep if they slip up--which I think is why offense has slumped so drastically now that PEDs are being monitored:  the pitchers are geared up to a level that most hitters aren't up to dealing with any more.  That doesn't mean they have the capacity to re-adjust to the extent you're advocating, though--if it's done it will take training the next generation of pitchers for it.

LakerDodger24 (Kirby Pls)
LakerDodger24 (Kirby Pls)

@DKDodgers @BIah This argument reminds me of basketball old timers arguing for a return of elbows, punches and clotheslines from the 60's, 70's and 80's to the game. And that doesn't happen any more for the same reason that 5 man rotations exist now: Player safety. One too many starts/punches can end up having some nasty effects on the human body (and thus, potentially make the player less money, which is why some players don't want to start on 3 days rest if not absolutely necessary.