Joe Torre, Hall Of Famer

Those were the days. I guess. (via)

Those were the days. I guess. (via)

With about .00001 percent of the publicity and controversy surrounding the regular Hall of Fame balloting, the Veterans Committee elected three new members this morning, enshrining managers Bobby Cox, Tony LaRussa, and Joe Torre (all unanimously). I was never really Torre’s biggest fan as a Dodger manager — and I can show that with consistency, from before he arrived until the day he left — but it’s pretty hard to argue with his credentials. Yes, I’m talking about the rings that Derek Jeter and friends gave him in New York, but also the 18-year playing career that included eight All-Star appearances and the 1971 NL MVP award. If anything, I’m surprised he wasn’t included sooner than this.

Former Dodgers Steve Garvey and Tommy John didn’t make it, unsurprisingly, nor did former union head Marvin Miller, who absolutely should be in Cooperstown.

697 comments
linkmeister
linkmeister

Fully agree that Marvin Miller should be in there, as of about 1987. It's absolutely wrong that that miserable idiot Bowie Kuhn, whose lunch Miller regularly ate as an appetizer, got in for any reason at any time, but particularly that he got in before Miller.


And I'm disgusted with the players on the current Veteran's Committee who wouldn't be as wealthy as they are had they not been led by Miller.

capnsparrow
capnsparrow

Mark Derosa is just as good of a tv commentator as he was a player. Not very good.

Lobo
Lobo

Well that went less than great

*VND*
*VND*

i kind of do think anything is going to come of the Price thing. But that's just me.

Paulstralia
Paulstralia

I kind of don't think anything is going to come of the Price thing. But that's just me. 

BlueMarvin
BlueMarvin

Sorry Jobu, got busy at work and didn't respond.  You mentioned about Kemp: 

"All turns on the ? mark.  Is Kemp back to his old self or are these injuries the beginning of a long decline.  Hence where all the ? marks of whether to trade or hold him on the chance he rebuilds value and we can get a really really good prospect return in a season or two"

I see no sign whatsoever that Kemp is in decline.  None.  As for injuries,  all players get injured, and many that get injured will heal too.  Remember Werth?  Any player we can get back can get injured too.  Unless there is reason to believe Kemp is gonna stay injured, then injuries aren't an issue.  The only thing with Kemp that could be a concern that I've seen is the hammy, and that's more nagging than anything else.


If Kemp rebuilds his "value" as you say, the Dodgers won't be looking to trade him.  And I think it's more likely he does than doesn't so why lose him now?

TellMyWifeISaidHello
TellMyWifeISaidHello

Trading kemp is all about what we get in return. If we get really good players losing I won't be very sad about losing kemp

*VND*
*VND*

steve harvey is amazing in that show you pipe down now

ABSmileBunch
ABSmileBunch

I'd be sad about losing Kemp regardless of the return...getting really good players back (cost controlled even) will simply soften the blow, and in a few years I might get over being sad.

BlueMarvin
BlueMarvin

The fact that Mike things Seager is out of the question for Kemp -- and I trust Mike's analysis there, even if I think the baseball world is nuts sometimes -- means Kemp won't bring back proper value.

Dave! (but probably Justin Turner, maybe)
Dave! (but probably Justin Turner, maybe)

Mike, Bill Price has been retired from Major League baseball for 123 years. I mean, yeah, that probably still makes him more valuable than Dee Gordon, but it's just a silly idea. PTTBMMWCOYOS.

ABSmileBunch
ABSmileBunch

and we'll all regret it when fedex develops his power in 2 years.

*VND*
*VND*

im so glad you came over from Dodgers dot com

Purple Drank
Purple Drank

this is exactly what I tried to tell you 4 days ago

TellMyWifeISaidHello
TellMyWifeISaidHello

@BlueMarvin yes you can think they won't get good return. No one thought James shield would return will myers but it did I am just saying that I will judge a trade by the return not just call it terrible in any circumstance 

steelmohawk
steelmohawk

if Matt Kemp's ceiling is where he was i '11, they won't get a good return on him.  But, I don't even think they will get a good return on him, if his value is just an above average bat.

steelmohawk
steelmohawk

There maybe one person here who would think this to be serious

Disgruntled Goat
Disgruntled Goat moderator

this tv show insults cycling and uses the wrong terminology! 

*VND*
*VND*

plot twist: i end up tapping on Goat's window sometime next week

Disgruntled Goat
Disgruntled Goat moderator

you guys are finding like - extra reasons to hate it. 

it's just stupid, that's enough. 

*VND*
*VND*

the fact that they just sit and utter basic medical terminology and people think it makes them smart or a joke funny annoys the shit out of my

*VND*
*VND*

TBBT is the worst thing ever. i was walking my dog and saw a family watching it through their living room window (yeah i looked) and i wanted to ring the doorbell and chastise the father /cool story dang

*VND*
*VND*

YOU. ARE. A. BIG. NASTY. GOAT. WITH HANDS

BlueMarvin
BlueMarvin

Yes, it's true, you did.  I don't pretend to get WHY this is the case, but, I am resigned to believe it now, enough smart people have said it.