2012 Dodgers in Review #14: 3B Juan Uribe

.191/.258/.284 179pa 2hr 0.1 fWAR (booooooooo!)

2012 in brief: Huge disaster was actually somehow worse than his 2011 debut, though long stretches of weeks at a time where Don Mattingly absolutely refused to play him no matter what provided some small level of entertainment.

2013 status: Signed for $7m in final year of three-year deal, though I’m hoping it’s about as likely he suits up for the Dodgers in 2013 as it is that I do.

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Sigh. I don’t want to write this, and you probably don’t really want to read it. At no point this season was Juan Uribe anything remotely resembling a major league ballplayer. (I award him no points, and may god have mercy on his soul.) Hell, our expectations couldn’t have been lower, mainly circling around, “well, he can’t possibly be as bad as he was last year, right?” and “well, at the very least he’s decent with the glove and he’ll be playing third base rather than second…” all the while realizing that any sort of rebound was unlikely:

That’s the bad news. Here’s the worse news: only two players in major league history who ever had an age-31 season as poor as Uribe’s or worse ever rebounded to be even a league-average offensive ballplayer again, and you’re not going to like who one of them is. It’s a list that’s littered with catchers and shortstops who could never hit in the first place, like Larry Cox, Kurt Manwaring, Dal Maxvill, and Willy Miranda, and who certainly never turned it around as they continued to age.

It got worse. He was so bad in spring that we had to nearly throw away our “spring stats don’t matter” rule when he had managed just five singles headed into the final week of March, a spring training which he finished off by doing this against Dan Haren in Anaheim:

Juan  Uribe falls swinging

Yeah, I’ve embedded that GIF a few times here. No, I don’t care: it’s awesome, and I love it. So by the time the season started, to say that we expected little from Uribe was an understatement. If anything, we were wondering if an infield comprised of James Loney, Mark Ellis, Dee Gordon, & Uribe might be the weakest in baseball. He didn’t alleviate that worry much by collecting one hit in his first 14 plate appearances, although with five multi-hit games in the month he did manage to end April at a not-completely-terrible .267/.313/.317, even if the highlight of his month was the sore wrist that kept him out for several days. (The fact that I’m not decrying a .629 OPS should really tell you all you need to know about his perception.)

The wrist problems continued, as he missed most of the first week of May. He rejoined the lineup on May 7, but made just five starts before finally succumbing to the wrist and landing on the DL. Uribe spent most of the next month on the sidelines, and shockingly we weren’t completely dreading his return.

That was a mistake. On June 22, after he’d gone a full year after hitting just a single homer, we ran down his placement on the “historically bad Dodgers” leaderboard. On July 3, he twisted his ankle in the most Juan Uribe way possible:

I don’t ever want to act as though someone getting injured is a positive thing, but… well, I don’t quite know how to end that sentence. Honestly, it’s not that Juan Uribe spraining his ankle last night is big news – he’s been injured several times as a Dodger already, and if anything a trip to the DL might save him from his regularly-scheduled vacation to DFA City – but it’s how he hurt himself that’s just poetic.

From Ken Gurnick’s game story:

The ankle is the latest, sustained as he made a baserunning error in the second inning. Uribe wasn’t watching third-base coach Tim Wallach hold up Loney at third on Scott Van Slyke‘s bloop single. Uribe was cut down overrunning second on the play and turned his ankle trying to stop.

I mean, that’s just fantastic. I couldn’t have even dreamed of such a scenario, because Uribe hurting himself while doing something stupid would have been so on-the-nose that you’d think it could never actually happen.

We expected that would land him on the DL, but it didn’t, and as the Dodgers ended the first half a few days later with Uribe taking an 0-for-31 skid and a .194/.250/.271 line into the break, we all wondered if we’d finally see the last of him given that Matt Kemp & Andre Ethier each needed spots after returning from injury.

Uribe survived, mainly to troll me by hitting his second and final homer of the season while I was in attendance against R.A. Dickey in New York on July 21. By this point, we were well into “why is Uribe still here” mode. When Hanley Ramirez was acquired, only Adam Kennedy‘s trip to the DL seemed to quiet the cries. When Shane Victorino arrived, pushing Jerry Hairston back to the infield, it was “let’s cut Uribe NOW please”. And on and on and on…

But what got fun is that even if Ned Colletti refused to dump Uribe, Don Mattingly did the best he could from the bench. Uribe started the day after that homer in New York, going 0-4. He didn’t start the next day, or the next day.. or any day for the next three weeks. By August 11, it had gotten beyond absurd:

I bring this up today partially because it’s a light topic on a Saturday, but also because today marks two months since Uribe’s return from his latest disabled list stint, on June 11. Since then, he’s somehow been worse than ever, ‘hitting” .129/.195/.243 over 77 plate appearances. Of course, what’s most interesting there is the fact that 77 plate appearances over two months is just barely more than one a day, and obviously the bulk of those came before Hanley Ramirez arrived and Jerry Hairston was pushed back to the infield by Shane Victorino. With Adam Kennedy now healthy, it’s quite possible we never see Uribe again.

We weren’t quite so lucky, because Uribe got back in the lineup on August 14. If anything, we were shocked at where in the lineup he was:

This is a real thing that’s happening: for the first time in more than three weeks, Juan Uribe is in the starting lineup tonight. He’s playing third base. And he’s hitting second.

<snip> But mostly, I’m trying to think of what universe one must have to live in to think that your team has a better chance to win tonight with Juan Uribe making outs ahead of Matt KempAndre Ethier, & Hanley Ramirez than having A.J. Ellis and his .393 OBP percentage there.

It’d be fascinating, if it weren’t so infuriating, and it’s difficult to understand the thought process. Perhaps it really is just trying to get Uribe started in front of Kemp. Or that putting Uribe in front of the pitcher would be too embarrassing when it became obvious that Chad Billingsley was a better hitter.

Uribe didn’t get a hit in Pittsburgh that day – of course he didn’t – and that was it. Uribe’s name never appeared in the starting lineup again; between that last start in New York in May and the end of the season, a span of over two months, Uribe got exactly one start.

But it went beyond just not starting. Mattingly had him absolutely nailed to the bench, and all the credit in the world to him for doing so. After that August 14 start in Pittsburgh, Uribe received exactly eight plate appearances over the rest of the season – seven weeks worth of play. He didn’t touch his glove after August 24. In the entire month of September, Uribe got into only a single game, pinch-hitting for Clayton Kershaw on September 23 (as I recall, we joked that we’d rather have had Kershaw at the plate).

To be honest, I’ve never seen anything like it. I can’t fault Mattingly for it, and once Uribe made it to the expanded rosters of September, you couldn’t expect Colletti to cut him at that point anyway. It became an ongoing joke, inasmuch as Uribe’s Dodger career isn’t already a joke anyway.

Uribe, for the moment, is still a member of the Dodgers. As we looked at recently, his contract is all but untradeable, given that he’s the third least-productive Dodger at the plate in team history over his amount of playing time. Considering the way Mattingly treated him down the stretch, I honestly cannot see a way in which he’s still on this roster come April.

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Next up! Jerry Hairston!

How Do You Solve a Problem Like Juan Uribe?

“Fire him into the sun,” I’ve said. “Give him a Viking funeral,” I’ve suggested. Jokes, sure, but each valid suggestions. Yet with Ned Colletti unlikely to admit the mistake we all saw coming from day one and cut Juan Uribe loose – much less do anything that might actually cross the line into “felonious” – we’re going to need to find another viable solution to get this mess out of our lives.

Unlike most of the causes we take up, I hardly feel as though I need to back this up with statistical evidence. Hey, you lived through the last two seasons. You saw the ongoing disaster, and you chuckled along with the rest of us at Don Mattingly’s absolute refusal to play Uribe for weeks at a time in 2012 no matter what the circumstances. There will be plenty time to go over that in detail when we get into his review later this month, but if you must have a stat, there’s this: since 1900, there’s been 297 different Dodgers with at least 474 plate appearances. Uribe’s 54 OPS+ is better than exactly two of themJuan Castro, who I know I don’t need to remind you of, and Bill Bergen, better known as the worst offensive player in history.

As if simply being awful wasn’t enough, there’s the additional issue of the 93 different infielders the Dodgers have signed up for next year. Adrian Gonzalez, Mark Ellis, Hanley Ramirez, Luis Cruz, & Jerry Hairston are givens. Nick Punto probably is too, hard as it is to accept, and Dee Gordon, Elian Herrera, Justin Sellers, & Alex Castellanos all have varying degrees of hope for spots as well. Even with Ramirez, Cruz, & Gordon around, I’m still not convinced the Dodgers have a starting shortstop and may yet need to import one, so to say there’s no room at the inn for this continuing overpaid parasite of a ballplayer is an understatement.

Yet if Colletti won’t simply cut him loose – and while it certainly seems that he’s reluctant to swallow his pride here, it’s worth remembering that he did manage to ditch Andruw Jones after 2008 – then a face-saving move must be found for a new home. It’s not that easy, of course, because if your first reaction is “who the hell would want to trade for $8m worth of Juan Uribe?” I couldn’t really argue with that.

But as unlikely as it sounds to find a trade fit for Uribe, other teams have bad contracts on their hands as well. As long as you accept that you’re not likely to get anything that’s all that useful in return (unless you’re taking on so much that you’re not really saving any money anyway) then it’s potentially possible to take on someone else’s problem in order to relieve yourself of Uribe and hope that a “change of scenery” guy will find new life in Los Angeles.

What’s somewhat interesting about all this is that most teams who are desperate to rid themselves of poor deals aren’t exactly a great fit for the Dodgers, because their problems are owed a lot more than $8m. Vernon Wells is owed $42 million (!) over the next two seasons in Anaheim. The Mets still have $25.5m of Johan Santana and $16m of Jason Bay plus a $17m option for 2014 that could vest with enough playing time. In Miami, Heath Bell‘s atrocious deal still has $18m left over the next two seasons. I won’t even talk about Alex Rodriguez here, and anyone who thinks $30.5m of John Lackey is better than the rotation options the Dodgers already have can hand in their fan card at the door.

Now, you wouldn’t have to take on all of those salaries, because those teams are probably so desperate to deal that they’d take on half or more. But even then it’s difficult to justify. What if, for example, the Angels say they’ll eat $25m of the Wells deal and take Uribe, leaving Wells as a $9m player spread out over the next two seasons? We discussed earlier this week how the Dodgers could use a righty outfielder for depth, but Wells has hit only .222/.258/.409 in two seasons with Anaheim. Even taking into account that you’re not going to get anything great for Uribe, that’s not necessarily a better use of a roster spot than simply cutting Uribe and spending $2m or so on Jonny Gomes or Scott Hairston. The same argument could be made for Bay, who’s been a trainwreck in three years in New York and bottomed out last year at .165/.237/.299.

If you’re willing to get creative, I suppose there’s all sorts of options. Assuming the Dodgers successfully acquire a starting pitcher this winter, you could try to package Ted Lilly or Aaron Harang with Uribe, selling a team on the idea of getting at least a mediocre starter and allowing the Dodgers to take on a larger bad contract while opening up two spots at once. But that’s a complicated dance to make, particularly with Chad Billingsley‘s status still questionable, and that’s rarely been Ned Colletti’s style.

For simplicity’s sake, there’s an easy move to make for a player with a similar salary who has been possibly even more disappointing than Uribe: Chone Figgins, who has been horrendous in Seattle (.185/.249/.253 over last two seasons) and wants out rather than to return for his final year at $8m. That’d be the epitome of “my problem for your problem,” because Figgins has been all but unplayable with the Mariners, and he offers some nice additional defensive versatility over Uribe.

Then again, you’re still stuck paying $8m to a valueless roster spot, and if you’re doing that, isn’t it just better to simply cut Uribe and use his roster spot for someone who can actually help the team?

No matter how you slice it, Uribe cannot be on this team in 2013. It may be painful to simply cut the cord, but if this team did it with Jones, they can do it again. Cut him loose. Into the sun.

Juan Uribe, Never Ending Source of Amusement

Note: Mike’s on his honeymoon until September 28! Enjoy this auto-published post and help pray that some giant breaking news didn’t drop minutes before this fun yet otherwise fluffy post went up. 

There’s no game today, and I’m still in Europe, but I thought I’d use this opportunity to remind you that this was a thing that happened in one of the final spring training games of 2012. Juan Uribe, major league baseball player.

Juan  Uribe falls swinging

Juan Uribe, Highly-Paid Spectator

I know we’ve been talking about this basically every day, so this probably seems like overkill. Still, I can’t quite get past the ongoing absurdity of the Juan Uribe situation. He didn’t play last night against lefty Mark Buehrle, and he’s almost certainly not going to play tonight against righty Ricky Nolasco, especially not when Jerry Hairston has six extra-base hits in 16 plate appearances against the Miami pitcher.

When he doesn’t, that will put us one day shy of three full weeks from Uribe’s last start, and while I have no idea how to search for a healthy member of the active roster going that long without starts in a non-September situation, I don’t think any of us can remember a time in recent history where that’s happened. While obviously none of us are bemoaning the fact that Don Mattingly refuses to play Uribe – right on, Don – it’s a situation that is somehow both infuriating and entertaining all at the same time.

I bring this up today partially because it’s a light topic on a Saturday, but also because today marks two months since Uribe’s return from his latest disabled list stint, on June 11. Since then, he’s somehow been worse than ever, ‘hitting” .129/.195/.243 over 77 plate appearances. Of course, what’s most interesting there is the fact that 77 plate appearances over two months is just barely more than one a day, and obviously the bulk of those came before Hanley Ramirez arrived and Jerry Hairston was pushed back to the infield by Shane Victorino. With Adam Kennedy now healthy, it’s quite possible we never see Uribe again.

Yet he remains on the active roster, stuck in some sort of purgatory between “being too terrible to even have a case to play above Luis Cruz” and “under contract for another year and two months.” I can’t imagine he survives until 2013, but at this point, am I resigned to the fact that he’ll make it to September and probably through the end of the season, even if that means it’s entirely a life spent on the sidelines.

If so, his single in the tenth inning in St. Louis back on July 25 (shown below) might be the last time we see him on base. Even in success, it’s classic Uribe; he never would have had the chance had the game not gone into extra innings, he swung at the first pitch and at three of the four he saw, his back half totally flew off as he flung the bat at the ball, and he happened to get lucky with a dinker up the middle.

Six days later, he came in to go 0-2 as part of a double-switch against Arizona. We haven’t seen him since. We might never see him again, but he’ll be there, photobombing your pictures and haunting your dreams.

Jerry Sands Likely Headed to AAA As Roster Games Continue

Look, he can play first! (Brendan-C on flickr)

If this report from Eric Stephen of TrueBlueLA is to be believed – and I say that not because I don’t trust Eric, who is wonderful, but just because it strikes me as odd that no other outlets have this news right now – Jerry Sands is going to be sent back to Albuquerque prior to the start of tomorrow’s road trip to make room for Adam Kennedy, who is returning from a short stay on the disabled list thanks to a strained groin.

This is, of course, tremendously disappointing, because it’ll mean that despite all of the furious roster moves we’ve seen over the last few weeks this is a club that will still have Kennedy and Juan Uribe and James Loney and Juan Rivera and Luis Cruz all on the roster at the same time. Beyond that – and I almost feel like I don’t have a whole lot more to offer on it, because I’m just as “WTF” as the rest of you – it would cap off a week of absolutely bizarre roster machinations.

On Monday, Tony Gwynn was DFA’d to bring up Sands. (Gwynn, it should be noted, will accept his trip to Albuquerque, as Stephen reports.) Sands started that night in right field against Drew Pomeranz, went 0-3 before being double-switched out in the seventh, and was never seen again for the rest of the series. So this was worth interrupting Sands’ hot streak and DFA’ing Gwynn… how, exactly?

The funny thing is, I didn’t even mind letting Gwynn go. I mentioned it even back on July 31, when we were trying to figure out who would get cut for Shane Victorino, that Gwynn no longer had a role on this team. Sure, he’s a plus defensive outfielder, but he is not a major league quality hitter, and “backup outfielder on a team with three set starting outfielders” isn’t a very large piece of the puzzle.

All I can think of is that they were planning to cut Gwynn all along – which, again, fine – and rather than wait until Kennedy returned to do it, they figured they might as well get the benefit of Sands for a few days first. That’s defensible logic in theory. Or at least it would have been, if Sands had been actually been allowed to play, particularly when the Rockies started lefty Jeff Francis last night. Juan Rivera went 0-4, now has one hit in his last 18 at-bats, and is not the solution to this or any other problem; it’s worth noting that his seasonal line now sits at .246/.282/.351, or worse than the .243/.305/.360 that got him DFA’d by Toronto last year.

Now, I’ll admit that if Sands isn’t going to play, I’d much rather him getting regular time in Albuquerque than riding the bench in Los Angeles. But what concerns me is that it’s hard not to look at this situation and not see signs of a larger problem. Ned Colletti refuses to free us of the scourge of Juan Uribe, and Don Mattingly responds by absolutely refusing to play him, with just one appearance as a defensive replacement in more than two weeks – and Mattingly is absolutely right to do so, even if it means playing the quickly-descending Cruz. Colletti cuts a popular if flawed player in Gwynn in order to get a potentially powerful bat in Sands up for a series with two lefty pitchers, and Mattingly barely plays him either, refusing to give up on the execrable Rivera. Are there signs that the front office and bench aren’t totally on the same page? I can’t say that I have any hard evidence to point to, but something smells weird here.

Perhaps worst of all, we’re talking about all of this rosterbation without confronting the main issue head-on, which is that Adam Kennedy is somehow a player who absolutely must be on the roster when he’s healthy, as though there’s no other possibility here. (I don’t want to hear about his “hot July”, as though 40 pre-injury plate appearances somehow carry more weight than months and years of ineptitude beforehand.) So now you’ve got two completely useless sides of a first base platoon, three backup infielders who range from “can’t hit” to “really can’t hit” to “will never get a chance to play again”, and I have absolutely no idea what to make of it all.

I am hopeful, at least, that seeing Gwynn & Bobby Abreu culled is the beginning of the new regime cutting bait on the bottom part of the roster. I suppose we can argue about what order these guys should have gone in, but if anything, it makes me realize how much more work remains. This roster is soft, and confusing roster choices and inexplicable dedication to far-over-the-hill veterans isn’t helping.