Pitchers Break, But You Need Them: Kyle Lohse

You know, I wasn’t going to include Kyle Lohse in this series. I figured that it was pretty self-explanatory that the Dodgers have enough older, 30+ pitchers as it is and that adding a guy who is far from a difference maker isn’t exactly what they’d need – especially when Buster Olney is quoting executives who are “speculating that he’ll get a deal close to the five-year, $77.5 million contract that C.J. Wilson got last winter”.

And then MLB Trade Rumors‘ Tim Dierkes predicted that Lohse would sign with the Dodgers… and Jon Morosi of Fox Sports said the same… and I realized that this is exactly the type of player that Ned Colletti would like, and I couldn’t avoid discussing it.

If you like Lohse, you like wins. Simple as that. His 16-3 record for the Cardinals in 2012 seems wonderful, but that 2.86 ERA is hardly backed up by a 3.51 FIP or a 4.06 SIERA. Here’s how many times, in a career dating back to 2001, that Lohse ever had a BABIP as low as the .262 he had in 2012: none.

Now here’s how many days Lohse has missed to right arm injuries over the last three years: 122, thanks to two different stints on the disabled list. Here’s how many times over his 12-year career he’s had an ERA over 4.50: seven. And, just for fun, his age: 34, as of last week, and his velocity has declined from the low-90s in his youth to topping out at around 89 MPH.

Need more? Here’s FanGraphs:

This is also the second season in a row that Lohse has significantly outperformed his SIERA. Like Hellickson, there are red flags galore. How does one only allow a .261 BABIP, yet post a 24% line drive rate? That’s crazy! His pop-up rate is also right about the league average, so that doesn’t help explain things. He is inducing a higher than league average outside contact percentage, which like Hellickson has most likely helped reduce his BABIP. Also like Hellickson, Lohse’s strikeout rate gives him little room for error, but at least he pairs his weak strikeout rate with impeccable control. Again, I need to hear some sort of statistically-backed explanation before believing Lohse suddenly has a consistent ability to significantly outperform his peripherals.

And Baseball Prospectus:

A Scott Boras client, Lohse will be looking for huge money following a season in which he had 2.86 ERA, 3.55 FIP, and 1.9 WARP. Combine those numbers with his gaudy 16-3 record and it’s the recipe for a big payday, especially with Boras doing the deal. However, it says here that whoever winds up buying on Lohse had better beware. He is a 34-year-old with a track record of being a mid-rotation starter at best; 2012 is as good as he will ever get. Lohse’s WARP was above the 90thpercentile of his PECOTA projection this year, and the system does not like his future. It projects Lohse’s next four seasons at 0.1, -0.2, -0.4 and -0.9. I’m repeating here: Buyer beware.

And it gets better: Lohse is likely to receive a qualifying offer from the Cardinals, which he’ll of course turn down in search of a long-term deal. So not only do you get the opportunity to sign a decent-but-not-great picher represented by Scott Boras with a history of arm trouble and inconsistent performances to a huge contract that will cover his age 34-37 seasons, you get to forfeit your first-round pick to do it. Where do I sign up?

I don’t want to come off as being unreasonably hard on Lohse, because the last two years really have been the two best of his career, and he’s coming off what is actually a pretty good season – only three times in 33 starts did he allow more than three earned runs, which is wonderful. For the right team, for the right price, there’s a decent pitcher to be had here. But you have to remember that while free agents look to get paid for what they’ve done, the team needs to worry about what they’ll do. Who really thinks that Lohse, who’s never been an ace or anything even close to it, is going to be worth that kind of money at this point in his career? There is no perhaps no player on the market who seems so obviously about to sign a contract that people will hysterically laugh at the moment it’s inked.

The funny thing is, I actually advocated the Dodgers looking into Lohse at one point. But that was four-and-a-half years ago, and the circumstances were much, much different. Headed into 2008, Lohse remained unsigned into March after several poor seasons, and the fifth starters the Dodgers were considering were Esteban Loaiza, Jason Schmidt, Jason Johnson, & Chan Ho Park:

This is where Kyle Lohse comes in. Coming into the offseason he seemed sure to join the Jason Marquis/Gil Meche/Carlos Silva Memorial Mediocre Veteran Pitchers Who Get $40 Million Deals Club. Scott Boras was actually throwing around ludicrous numbers like 5 years, $50 million. Fortunately for all of us, some sort of fiscal sanity prevailed, and the latest rumors have him ready to sign for just one year and possibly $4 million. Even if it’s not for just $4; even if it’s $5 or $6 million. For one year, how is this not something we ought to be jumping on?

Lohse is by no means an All-Star. He’s got a career ERA+ of 95, or just slightly below average, although that is deflated slightly by a simply brutal 2006. Last year, pitching in two parks that are very hitter-friendly, he gave the Reds 131.2 innings of 4.58 work, and the Phillies 61 innings at 4.72, numbers which come out to exactly league-average (100 ERA+). He’s also durable, having made at least 31 starts in each of his six full seasons in the bigs. A guy who can give you a good amount of league-average innings may not sound that valuable, but when you’re short on pitching and relying on some of the dreck discussed above, you’ll be happy to have it.

A week later, Lohse signed with the Cardinals for one year and $4.25m, contributing 200 innings of 3.89 FIP work in his age-29 season. That’s exactly how you want to use a pitcher like Lohse, because the Cardinals then signed him to a 4/$40m contract, and for the first two years the durability disappeared, allowing him to contribute only 209 innings of 5.54 ERA work, before rebounding for the final two years. For a year or two, sure. For several years at $50-$80m as he hits his mid-30s and giving up a first-round pick to do it? Pass, pass, pass, and pass. So much pass.

Now Here’s A Trade Rumor I Can Get Behind

MLBTR with news that should be glorious but is probably just going to lead to crushed expectations:

Steve Henson of Yahoo! Sports says that three or four teams are interested in Juan Pierre, and that a three-team trade is being explored to bring a bad contract starter to the Dodgers in return. Henson says the bad contract starter wouldn’t be ex-Dodger Derek Lowe.

The 32-year-old Pierre is still owed $18.5MM over the next two years, however he boosted his value a bit by hitting .308/.365/.392 with 30 steals in 2009. It was his best offensive season since 2004, and the second best of his career. UZR/150 pegged Pierre as excellent in LF (+16.4) but awful in center (-19.4).

Three or four teams? Get the hell out. The “three-team trade” is what is really the new wrinkle here; when I said a few weeks ago that I didn’t see a fit to trade Pierre for a bad contract starter, it was because there were so few teams that had such a pitcher and didn’t mind taking a guy like Pierre. Expanding the deal to three teams really opens up some possibilities.

So who are we looking at? MLBTR speculates on a trio of hurt and ineffective Tigers: Jeremy Bonderman ($12.5m in 2010, 81.2 IP the last two years), Nate Robertson ($10m in 2010, hasn’t allowed less than a hit per inning since 2006), and Dontrelle Willis ($12m in 2010, 57.2 IP the last two years). Holy hell, have the Tigers made some poor pitching decisions.

But I don’t see any of those guys being viable options, because you can’t count on a single one of them to give you anything in 2010. No matter how you feel about Pierre, it’s clear that the Dodgers do place a decent amount of value on him as a speedy caddy for Manny, and though we all know Pierre’s not bringing back an All-Star, they’re also not going to give him away for zero on-the-field return at all.

So here’s a quick list of the possibilities for the pitcher (ignoring how the three-team aspect might work for now), looking at both the hilarious ones brought up by MLBTR commentors and a few of my own.

Jeff Suppan. Mentioned in the original MLBTR post, but I don’t even need to look up his stats and salary because it’s pointless. The Brewers are probably the only team that’s more desperate for starters than the Dodgers are, and they just traded for a younger, cheaper, better-fielding version of Pierre in Carlos Gomez to play CF. Pierre’s certainly not displacing Ryan Braun in LF, so there’s no fit here. No.

Carlos Silva. Mentioned in the comments, I’ll admit that he came to mind to me as an overpaid horrible starter, as well. But there’s no fit here, either. Silva is awful (no, really, he’s unpitchable. ERA’s north of 5.90 three of the last four years? Wow), so the Dodgers wouldn’t enter into a deal with three, thirty, or three hundred teams that ended up with them getting him. Even if it wasn’t a three-teamer, with the M’s about to sign Chone Figgins, they have less need for a speed type like Pierre. No.

Gil Meche. Now, this one might have some legs. After two surprisingly effective years in Kansas City, Meche was hurt and lousy last year (5.09 ERA, 1.566 WHIP). He does have $24m left over the next two years, so the Dodgers would have to add a bit more payroll, potentially a problem. If this one’s not a three-teamer, well, the Royals have a mess of an outfield, so there’s room for him, and their GM Dayton Moore has a long history of ridiculous decisions. Mostly, I just want to see Rany Jazayerli‘s head explode if he had to suffer through both Pierre and Yuniesky Betancourt on the field at the same time. Perhaps.

Oliver Perez. Probably the most talented name we’ll bring up, but also the most inconsistent. He’s been so bad with the Mets that you can’t even depend on him being available in 2010, and he’s got $24m left over two years. Besides, Omar Minaya would have to admit the free agent deal he signed Perez to last year was a huge mistake. No chance.

Aaron Harang/Bronson Arroyo. We’ve heard these Cincinnati names pop up time and again, and I’ve never really seen a fit. I’d be happy to get either for Pierre, since both have been roughly league-average in a tough park. But that’s the problem – both have been roughly league-average in a tough park. The Reds won’t give either up for peanuts, and they certainly don’t need Pierre, so here’s where the three-team aspect is crucial. It’s foolish to try to even guess how a three-team trade might work out, but if Colletti can turn a 4th outfielder into either one of these guys, he deserves a golden statue. Maybe, but doubtful.

Kyle Lohse. Fun fact: I actually advocated that the Dodgers sign Lohse when he was still available for peanuts in March of 2008. They didn’t, and he went to St. Louis where he had a very nice 15-6, 3.78 season, which got him a massively overpaid 4-year deal. He was hurt and less effective in 2009, putting up a 4.74 ERA, though his peripherals didn’t change all that much. The biggest issue here is that he’s still got 3 years and about $34m left, so the Cardinals would have to eat a hefty bit of that. Probably not.

As you can see, there’s no simple answer here. There’s options, but none without huge question marks – and that’s even without including the complication of a third team. Regardless of your feelings about Pierre, it’s clear that the Dodgers cannot afford a $10m backup outfielder, so you’d love to see something happen. Now, can Ned pull it off? Sometimes the winter is the best part of the baseball season.

Why Don’t the Dodgers Sign Kyle Lohse?

kylelohse.jpgTake note, people: I’m going to advocate signing a mediocre veteran rather than giving kids a shot. This is a monumental day in MSTI history!

Think about the Dodgers starting staff right now. Obviously, the top 4 of Penny/Lowe/Billingsley/Kuroda is pretty set. All winter, we figured that the 5th spot would go to whomever was the healthiest and/or most effective of Jason Schmidt, Esteban Loaiza, or perhaps Hong-Chih Kuo. If all went according to plan, we could even have Schmidt and Loaiza fight it out and have the loser be a great long man out of the pen until he was needed back in the rotation.

Except that Schmidt now will almost certainly not be ready by Opening Day, and no one can say when he will be or what he’ll be like when he comes back.

And that just as the sun rises in the East, Kuo is feeling discomfort in his repeatedly surgically-repaired left elbow. Besides, as much as I want to see him succeed, he’s got as many MLB wins as he does Tommy John surgeries. It’s insane to count on him for anything, ever.

And that Esteban Loaiza continues to be Esteban Loaiza – dig that 8.34 ERA as a Dodger last year! 

Actually, as a 5th starter, you could do a whole lot worse than Loaiza. It’s not so much that I don’t even want to give him a shot, as much as it is the combination of handing him the 5th role and that it’s worrisome what’s behind him. I mean, who’s in camp right now that could step in if and when Loaiza fails? Beyond that, what if one of the top 4 goes down? It’s not unthinkable, given that Kuroda is 33 and is somewhat of an unknown quantity, and although we all expect huge things from Billingsley this year, he’s going to be asked to take a huge leap in innings and responsibility this season.

Right now, considering Schmidt and Kuo are hurt, the other starting options in camp consist of:

- Jason Johnson, who in 10 major league seasons is 43 games under .500 and has an ERA of 5.00 nearly on the nose. In 2006 he got shuttled between 3 teams and last year, he only made it into 7 games for Seibu in Japan. Now that’s confidence inspiring.

- Chan Ho Park, that’s right, the Chan Ho Park. How’d his 2007 go? Not bad, just a brutal 6-14, 5.99 ERA campaign. In the minor leagues. I’m not even brave enough to do the calculations to see what that would have equated to in the bigs.

- Eric Stults, I guess? Actually, I haven’t heard word one about him being in the mix this spring at all, so I’m not even sure if he’s being considered. Even so, his career MLB record of 2 wins and a 5.75 ERA is hardly the stuff legends, or even league-average pitchers, are made of.

- Clayton Kershaw/James McDonald: I would really, really like to not see either of these guys until September. Kershaw’s only turning 20 this week and has only a few starts at AA; please, please don’t rush him. Same for McDonald, who’s yet to taste AAA.

Point is, the Blue could certainly use another reliable (if nothing else) starter who’s had some big-league success to challenge Loaiza and/or replace any of the injured top 4. This is why the Joe Blanton rumors won’t seem to die, except that none of us want to use guys like Andy LaRoche to get him. So why not a veteran, league-average durable arm that will cost nothing but money?

This is where Kyle Lohse comes in. Coming into the offseason he seemed sure to join the Jason Marquis/Gil Meche/Carlos Silva Memorial Mediocre Veteran Pitchers Who Get $40 Million Deals Club. Scott Boras was actually throwing around ludicrous numbers like 5 years, $50 million. Fortunately for all of us, some sort of fiscal sanity prevailed, and the latest rumors have him ready to sign for just one year and possibly $4 million. Even if it’s not for just $4; even if it’s $5 or $6 million. For one year, how is this not something we ought to be jumping on?

Lohse is by no means an All-Star. He’s got a career ERA+ of 95, or just slightly below average, although that is deflated slightly by a simply brutal 2006. Last year, pitching in two parks that are very hitter-friendly, he gave the Reds 131.2 innings of 4.58 work, and the Phillies 61 innings at 4.72, numbers which come out to exactly league-average (100 ERA+). He’s also durable, having made at least 31 starts in each of his six full seasons in the bigs. A guy who can give you a good amount of league-average innings may not sound that valuable, but when you’re short on pitching and relying on some of the dreck discussed above, you’ll be happy to have it.

Especially on a one-year deal, at money that some teams are throwing around to middle relievers and backup infielders. What’s the downside here? If Loaiza and/or Schmidt come back healthy and effective, then you’ve got one starter too many, and that is never, ever a bad thing.

Let’s do it.

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